Friends are Friends

  • March 11, 2022
  • István
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Our foreign minister and others yesterday were asked by telex about the friendship with Putin and Russia in parliament building ►HU. Szijjártó answered that before the war broke out the Hungarian nation’s interest dictated that a rational, pragmatic contact based on the national values of economy and energy security. But now there is war. “The decisions taken in peacetime do not have any relevance within war.” Remarkable, seen he doesn’t question the contract about Paks 2, definitely closed in peacetime, for example. The journalist wanted to know, whether his personal friendship with Russian foreign minister Lavrov continues. “Look, we are colleagues, I have several times talked with him after the war broke out, as I talked to the vice PM of Ukraine….” Are you calling him still a friend, the reporter insisted. “No relevance,” the foreign minister stated. Gas is “a physical question,” one needs gas and one needs pipelines. In this context he blamed the USA for not deciding on a gas field in front of the coast of Romania, which would make Central Europe independent of Russian gas. The minister for foreign affairs and foreign trade obviously does not know that Exxon (not exactly the same as the USA) decided to sell its stake in that field to the Romanian state-owned Romgaz. Does he have a message for Putin? Obviously not, because he ended the interview at that point. Others moved through the halls of parliament as well. Orbán did what he always does: Ignoring journalists. János Kerényi said “not our fault.” Gyula Buday answered about the narrow friendship with Putin: “I’ve been at the border,” if this would have been the question. István Hollik said very hesitantly “we have always made nationalist policies,” without pointing out whether future friendship with Putin would be in that interest. Bence Rétvári talked about Gyurcsány, when the reporter asked for the opinion of FIDESZ the answer was Gyurcsány, the journalist told him that he would ask Gyurcsány for his opinion as well, but now it is about the governmental party the answer was: Gyurcsány. Harrach thinks that dependence on Russia would not have meant any siding with Putin. László Palkovics insists that friends are friends, but with Russia economic ties exist, that the friendship will remain, while the economic ties will change. On the question whether it wouldn’t be problematic when these friends are murdering civilians the minister answered “our friends don’t do that, the managers and engineers we are in contact with are not doing that”. Does he have a message he would like to send to Putin? No! Zoltán Tessely’s answer was short “thank you.” Antal Rogán had “a program” and run away.

After Orbán has declared that the “Hungarian model” of being part of the West and being a great friend of Putin last month would be the role model for all European countries still the elite of the ruling party does not want to get on a distance to the aggressor. Putin hasn’t been mentioned in official statements by name, the foreign minister even avoided to say Russia. FIDESZ still is not moving away from Putin, as if the war and the war crimes would happen against the will of the Russian dictator. As if the Russian army could invade a neighbour country without any involvement of Putin. Scaring the comment not to condemn the attack on a child hospital in Mariupol, but to call the international court to investigate. Cheap! Former Serb president Milosevic was prosecuted, but did this Putin scare away from starting his war against Ukraine?

But not only Putin has friends in Hungary, Orbán has great friends in Poland as well. Wait, does Orbán have friends in Poland? Artur Krzysztof Balazs was in opposition to the communist regime, co-founder of individual farmers Solidarność, interned during the period of material law, several times representative and senator and minister in democratic Poland – and since 2013 honorary consul of Hungary in Szczecin. This week Balazs resigned from his post, because Orbán did not clearly condemn Putin for his war ►HU.

In conservative Polish paper Rzeczpospolita (Republic,) 2nd largest daily of Poland and the more serious paper in opposite to the other large daily with likes much more onto the yellow press, an article was published under the title “Russia invades Ukraine, and Orbán stabs Poland with a knife in the back.” With the words “the Hungarian prime minister blames Warsaw for provoking Putin to War, to send him a signal: I supported the sanctions, but in my heart I am on your side, I am no longer part of the West” the article already summarises the problem. Orbán would be “distributing a false Russian version of recent events, which is a threat to the geopolitical raison d’état of our country.” And “Orbán found …. Poland to be the main culprit…. In one sentence condemning the Russian aggression and in the other explaining it with the adventurism of Poland, which ‘fiercely’ wants to expand NATO, Orbán stabs Poland in the back with a rusty knife. He blames Poland to send a signal to Putin: they forced me to support the sanctions, but look, I’m still with you.” The article ends with “Yes, he [Orbán] sometimes interceded with Poland, sometimes he deceived Kaczyński with the vision of a common Christian counter-revolution, but he simply dreamed of building a Hungarian version of Putinism, becoming an exponent of Russian influence in our part of Europe. The Polish right should urgently answer the question of whether it is worth maintaining such an alliance after the war.” The original is translated by Google ►PL, in Hungarian there are quotations found on 24.hu ►HU.

Since the ECJ has decided that the rule-of-law mechanism is legal Poland has already moved into the direction of the EU. For example the political imposed and controlled disciplinarian chamber for judges will be replaced by a new institution where judges will elect a self-governing body for avoiding the abuse of law. Perhaps the most problematic part of the juridical “reforms” of Polish justice is on a way to be solved. It could be that the Polish government decided to abide EU law to avoid further damage of their country. Since long the fact that some extreme rightwing in Europe was heavily divided by the love and hate for Russia. It might be that Kaczyński regards Orbán not just as suspicious, but as enemy thanks to his friendship with Russia. It looks like Putin will be the only friend that remains to Orbán – as Palkovics said: Friends are friends.

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Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 11, 2022 13:50

Friends are friends 😀 In our country they say show me your friends and I’ll tell you who you are … what stands out is the general cowardice of the “brave”. So fascists are not automatically friends because they are fascist together … who would have thought.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 11, 2022 14:37
Reply to  István

The Poles see Hungary and Orbán’s arrogance more and more as a burden for a right-wing nationalist “common” policy. Moreover, the Poles seem to have just rowed back the fascist excursion with Orbán was probably not so tingly in the long run.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 11, 2022 15:04
Reply to  István

There are many ways to look at this issue and I appreciate this post. The Hungarian community in Chicago was totally transformed by 1956 once the refugees started arriving here. My own family had been here prior to WWI and our formative experiences were different.

My own opinion growing up with many children of 56ers is that while they were deeply anti communist they were also in terror of what the Russians were capable of.

I knew my self several 56ers whose own mothers were brutally raped in the days following the siege of Budapest and had experienced that and had to process that. Those experiences were handed down in our community as was a terror of the Russians. Because we were all anti communists Kadar could not be discussed openly as being smart and a survivor of Russian terror, but clearly their were hints of that attitude in our community slipped into discussions.

I think Orban is like házba tört kutya mászik gazdájának but the dog stays alive and is fed.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 11, 2022 15:08
Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 11, 2022 15:31

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/07/europe/ukraine-hotline-russian-soldiers-intl-cmd/index.html it is pretty clear the families of Russian soldiers diving in Ukraine are living with their own terror too.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 11, 2022 16:23

Orban on his facebook page put up a video claiming “There will be no (EU) sanctions covering the area of oil and gas, ie Hungary’s energy supply will be guaranteed in the next period as well.” My understanding is the original EU sanctions against Russia always allowed for shipments of oil and gas to EU countries from Russia. When the USA blocked Russian oil and gas imports to our country with the full support of the US Congress, including all Democrats and Republicans there was no assumption the EU would do this too. After all only 3% of US oil imports come from Russian. 

However, the story about the Russian military drone violating Hungarian airspace for more than forty minutes in Hungarian airspace and crashed in Croatia raises many questions about Hungarian air defenses and what exactly were the Russian looking at? By the way why wan’t it shot down by Hungarian air defenses? Clearly Hungary can defend itself and needs no NATO help.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 11, 2022 17:27

I don’t know when I read such strange articles could be a “Russian drone” – which flew with 700 Km per hour – but the reconnaissance drone is equipped with a supersonic jet engine … but the speed of sound is currently traded with about 1235 km/h. I can’t say anything about it. Only that Orbán’s quality policy could have made the Hungarian army wait for Orbán’s order first … but Orbán had given in to his instincts at the time in question.

https://defbrief.com/2022/03/11/drone-that-crashed-in-croatias-capital-arrived-from-hungarian-airspace/

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 11, 2022 17:41
Reply to  Don Kichote

That was an enlightening article Don, thanks for the link.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 11, 2022 19:12
Reply to  István

The Hungarians may have tested their first drone the “Puli I” it does not fly so high yet – so fast and the communication is Hungarian! That a Hungarian drone crashes is impossible 🙂 .

tappanch
tappanch
March 11, 2022 18:30

Two pieces of news from today.

“According to preliminary data, Belarusian troops may be drawn into an invasion on March 11 at 21:00 (1900 GMT)”
This will take place in 1 hour 30 minutes.

“The US president, Joe Biden, has announced the US plans to ban the import of seafood, vodka and diamonds from Russia

I think the Biden administration is several steps behind Putin, their policy is stupid.

#1.
They should have sent American troops to Ukraine (at Ukrainian request, of course) in January to preempt Putin’s attack.

#2 having missed step #1, after the start of the Russian invasion, they should have issued ambiguous statements about sending American troops to Ukraine. By announcing a categorical NO from the very beginning, they gave Putin a green light to do whatever he pleases in Ukraine.

Robert
Robert
March 11, 2022 21:05
Reply to  tappanch

Spot on

tappanch
tappanch
March 11, 2022 18:57

Election numbers.

While Hungarian voters in Hungary are dying out, Hungarian voters in Romania and Serbia will never die, their number has been increasing rapidly.

March 11 vs January 11, 2022

A.
Eligible Hungarian voters with Hungarian address:
7,768,514 vs 7,795,109

including Budapest
1,285,516 vs 1,280,183

B.
Eligible Hungarian voters without Hungarian address:
456,528 vs 425,956

tappanch
tappanch
March 11, 2022 19:35

Ukrainian refugees:

Poland
11 Mar 2022 1,524,903

Other European countries
10 Mar 2022 282,497

Hungary
10 Mar 2022 225,046

Slovakia
10 Mar 2022 176,092

Russian Federation
10 Mar 2022 105,897

Republic of Moldova
10 Mar 2022 104,929

Romania
8 Mar 2022 84,671

Belarus
10 Mar 2022 858

Total: 2,504,893

Source: UNHCR

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 11, 2022 19:47
Reply to  tappanch

Are Ukrainians registered at the border to buy any votes?

Observer
Observer
March 12, 2022 10:27

And one more article on Orbán’s Trojan horse (or gypsy horse trader’s) play in the E.U.: https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-war-narrative-hungary-disinformation/
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