Idus Martiae

Excerpts from the March 14 speech by US Ambassador Pressman:

“We cannot ignore it when the Speaker of Hungary’s National Assembly asserts that Putin’s war in Ukraine is actually “led by the United States.” We cannot ignore a sitting minister referring to the United States as a corpse whose nails continue to grow.  We can neither understand nor accept the Prime Minister identifying the United States as a “top adversary” of our Ally, Hungary.   Or his assertion that the United States government is trying to overthrow the Hungarian government – literally, to “defeat” him. 

Some say we should watch what Hungary does, not what it says. But you see, that is now precisely the problem:  I am not talking merely about what the government says, but what it does, its actions. 

The systematic takeover of independent media, where oligarchs purchased media outlets only to gift them to a government-controlled foundation, while the few outlets that remain independent face investigations, tax audits, and the loss of advertising revenue – these are not words, but actions. 

Ensuring all aspects of government power – from procurement, to licensing, to tourism subsidies, to concessions, to tax and audit actions, to regulatory policy – provide favorable treatment for companies owned by party leaders or their families, in-laws, or old friends – these are not words, but actions.  

The “Defense of Sovereignty Act” that threatens anyone involved in “democratic debate” or “advocacy” in defense – not of Hungary’s sovereignty – but only of a single party’s effort to monopolize public discourse.  Even if not fully implemented, this law’s mere existence serves its purpose – to frighten people into silence.  Not words, but actions.   

Equating “independence” with “opposition,” independent media in Hungary gets labeled opposition media.  Independent non-governmental organizations get labeled political partisans.  Independent judges who voice opinions unfavorable to the government, or meet with the American Ambassador, are labeled politicians funded and directed from abroad.    ” […]

“At the same time Hungarian officials diminish an actual invasion of a democratic country [Ukraine], senior Hungarian officials conjure stories of interference in Hungary’s own internal affairs.  Yet they seem to have no qualms about flagrantly engaging in such interference themselves. 

Prime Minister Orbán, who on the one hand baselessly claims the United States government is trying to overthrow his government, publicly calls for the political defeat of the President of the United States and actively participates in U.S. partisan political events.  Hungary advocates for electoral candidates around the world from Poland to Brazil, all while decrying foreign interference here at home.   

Who leads the United States Government – or any government — is a question for the people of that country alone to decide.   ” […]

“While Hungary attempts to wait out those it disagrees with, whether in the United States or the European Union, the rest of the world is moving forward.  While the Orbán government may want to wait out the United States Government, the United States will certainly not wait out the Orbán administration.   

While Hungary waits, we will act. “

Full text:

https://hu.usembassy.gov/news-speech-by-ambassador-pressman-on-the-25th-anniversary-of-hungarys-accession-to-nato/

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Jan
Jan
March 15, 2024 08:36

Pressman is using more words than Biden in his speech, but states the same as Biden in his SOTU, the Viktor is a dictator. His control over the Hungarian people is obviously bigger than the führer’s control over the German people. Because of the advances in technique, he just doesn’t need to fly everywhere by plane TikTok and Instagram and company do it more perfect now. The media is the same as under the führer. Control everywhere is guaranteed by making the people afraid to have serious disadvantages if they do not comply to rule number one: vote for the Viktor, or it has consequences.
He just didn’t kill anyone by order, and the Viktor knows that this would cost him all support from the west. The only friends he then has are his buddies Putin and Chi, who like to kill political opponents.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 15, 2024 20:13
Reply to  Jan

This report on Hungary appears to be the most current one (https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/hungary). It states “According to its constitution, Hungary is a multiparty parliamentary democracy.” It goes on to say, “For the past three years, however, Hungary has been operating under consecutive states of emergency that allow the government to pass laws by edict, bypassing parliament, which elects the president (the head of state) every five years. . . In parliamentary elections on April 3, the Fidesz-Christian Democratic People’s Party alliance led by Fidesz party leader Viktor Orban won a two-thirds majority in parliament.

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe election observation mission found that the elections “were well-administered and professionally managed but marred by the absence of a level playing field” and concluded that a “pervasive overlap between the ruling coalition and the government blurred the line between the state and party.”

That is not a happy endorsement of Hungarian democracy, but it’s not a designation of a dictatorship either. President Biden may be correct that Orban prefers a dictatorship to a more democratic system but Orban is shrewd enough not to say that publicly as President Biden indicated.

Jan
Jan
March 15, 2024 20:57

Hungary doesn’t have a constitution, only a basic law written on a train between Budapest and Brussels and vice versa on an ipad. 2011 The law was “written in stone”, and has been amended around 80 times since.
Do you know what is going on here?? You are citing the Nemzet and wonder why they pick a certain part of Pressman’s speech. Well they want to make him ridiculous, worrying about licence plates. And they leave out the important topics. Do you get it??
Using the Nemzet to analyze the regime is ridiculous.
About your citation of the report, I guess the elections in Russia will be described as:  “were well-administered and professionally managed but marred by the absence of a level playing field”,  
doesn’t that really ring a bell?
It is just a fact that the Viktor is a fascist and a dictator, deeds speak for itself, no matter what your opinion is. And you do not seem to read my posts, even when you react on them. Deflecting to old time democrats, Biden speaking without thinking and sense, the points why the Viktor is a fascist, no substantial reaction. And the one thing I will never forget in my life: blaming the democrats for Trumps victory in 2016. Really, I am fine if you disagree with my opinions, but don’t hide behind some reports or people who wrote something that is clever in your opinion.

Jan
Jan
March 15, 2024 17:04
Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 15, 2024 17:15

We are all eagerly awaiting the democratic elections in Russia. Who will be the new president? Any suggestions? Since Hungary has a similar democracy in the form of Orban, one could draw conclusions from Russia to Hungary. 🙂

Jan
Jan
March 15, 2024 17:25
Reply to  Don Kichote

Putin?

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 15, 2024 18:07
Reply to  Jan

Bull’s eye and I thought the question was difficult.

Ferenc
Ferenc
March 16, 2024 12:50
Reply to  Don Kichote

comment image

A photo authentically shows an elderly woman voting in the presence of an armed and masked soldier during the March 2024 Russian presidential elections. – Snopes Rating: True

Other photos, and also a video at
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/voting-in-russias-2024-election/

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 16, 2024 15:22
Reply to  Ferenc

That looks like a manipulated image.

Ferenc
Ferenc
March 16, 2024 15:49

to be manipulated image or to be manipulated voting… well that’s NOT the question… NOR the answer…

just check snopes.com link!!!

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 16, 2024 16:23
Reply to  Ferenc

Perhaps, but it’s not possible to make that image in one exposure, sorry.

tappanch
tappanch
March 15, 2024 20:03

I was at the demonstrations. Peter Magyar’s attracted more people (estimates were 50 thousand) then Karacsony’s. I agreed with most of M’s demand, especially taking anti-corruption steps. But I did not like his condemnation of those opposition politicians who lobby against the EU money flowing to “Hungary” (i.e. to the Orban government.).

He is about to launch his own party. He has a good chance to get a seat in the European Parliament in June, so he can go back and live in Brussels.

tappanch
tappanch
March 15, 2024 20:12
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Jan
Jan
March 15, 2024 21:19
Reply to  tappanch

Noble goals indeed.
I do not trust him, but that is not relevant if he is honest.
Point 8 from his 12 points is reflecting that he is using the same language as the regime actors, “constructive dialogue” translated to asking for respect. And then creating an attack on Hungarian sovereignty which has to be defended.
He will get a seat but not my vote.

Ferenc
Ferenc
March 16, 2024 16:00
Reply to  tappanch

MP’s Third Force?
Reminded me of Kadar: “Our Communism is Hungarian. It is a sort of “third line.””

MP’s 12 points goals are ALL just a sort of “”Best Of” of points brought forward by the real opposition parties.
In short MP is Bullshitting, and seems to be invented, ordered and organised by the myghti lidur’s propaganda [intelligence services] team to disrupt the real opposition in preparation to the coming elections. 

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 16, 2024 18:04
Reply to  tappanch

What this point means “ Constructive dialogue with the European Union and NATO that takes national interests into account and protects Hungary’s sovereignty” is open to interpretation I guess.

tappanch
tappanch
March 17, 2024 12:43

“constructive” means we will oppose things sometimes, but not too often.

(the new chairman of the Council of Judges used the same expression about its relationship with the Orban-appointed top judges. —-> see below.

tappanch
tappanch
March 15, 2024 20:26
Reply to  tappanch

The best anti-Orban sign a[[eared in the morning:

“Petőfi was fighting for a civil [or bourgeois] society !
Down with the feudalism !

Russian bayonet stabbed him to death !
Down with the alliance with Russia !”

https://rtl.hu/video/2024/03/15/balhe-molino-aktivistak-marcius-15-nemzeti-muzeum

tappanch
tappanch
March 16, 2024 02:18

Crowd estimate on March 15:
listening the speaker live, in the street + on the internet, in thousands:

Orban: 23+ 181
MiHazank: 1+19

Peter Magyar: 35+ 647
Mayor Karacsony: 11 + 16

https://www.lakmusz.hu/kinek-a-marcius-15-i-beszedet-hallgattak-a-legtobben/

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 16, 2024 17:52

This article https://magyarnemzet.hu/belfold/2024/03/orban-viktor-magyarorszag-nem-megy-haboruba-video and the video are clearly an attempt to create fear of war with Russia in Hungary.

Orban did the same thing during his last election see https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/how-viktor-orban-wins/. If it worked before keep doing it seems to be the idea.

Jan
Jan
March 16, 2024 21:20

It seems to be a hobby of fascists.

tappanch
tappanch
March 17, 2024 12:14

I understand Trump. As a wannabe dictator, he loves accomplished dictators like Putin, Erdogan, Orban. (He might be financially beholden to Putin as well).

But I do not understand the Biden-Obama administrations.
(March 13, 2024)
“The Biden administration on Wednesday reapproved a sanctions waiver that unlocks upwards of $10 billion in frozen funds for the Iranian government, according to a copy of the notice submitted to Congress late Wednesday”
In Iran, 3/4 of the people want to get rid of the bloody regime of the ayatollahs,
but the Biden (and earlier the Obama) administration wants to make deals with them and financially supports them. (This is a little bit akin to the EU financial support to the Orban regime).

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 17, 2024 15:31
Reply to  tappanch

It was part of a trade for US citizens imprisoned in Iran in reality.

tappanch
tappanch
March 17, 2024 16:12

The transfer of $6 billion to Qatar, (beneficiary: Iran) happened a few days before the the October 7, 2023 attack – perfect timing for the ayatollahs.

This is a new decision, in March 2024

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 17, 2024 18:00
Reply to  tappanch

The deal as I recall was made a while ago and possibly included a certain number of US citizens released by Iran over a period of time. There were references to that in news early on in the Biden administration.

Currently there are many questions being raised in the USA about Israeli claims on the scope rape and murder of Israeli civilians in particular by the Washington Post and the progressive news outlet the Intercept.

Even The NY Times articles on rape and October 7. There have been a discussion that has been painful for me personally because the NY Times editor overseeing the story Jeff Gettleman is a liberal who is not a Zionist in the least and who as a reporter in the past wrote seriously about torture and abuse by US forces in our Middle Eastern wars.

Jeff is the child of a business associate of mine and I think highly of him. But he seems to have not carefully vetted the reporters work on the rape cases opening himself up to attacks. Now there is growing support not just among Palestinians but many people of color in the USA that many of the October 7 claims made by Benjamin Netanyahu are falsified but even the UN agrees there was sexual violence against Jews on October 7.

I am expecting there to be significant anti-Biden demonstrations over US funding to Israel during the Democratic National Comvention Convention this summer to be held here in Chicago.

The site of the convention will be under special protection by the US secret service and FBI due to in being declared a National Special Security Event. The Chicago Police will be in the frontlines of the defense of the convention and their riot control history has not been outstanding going back to 1968.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 17, 2024 16:46

These times, we witness a much more sharpened polarisation in the rhetoric used in commenting politically approved money-transfers.
(Social media/AI and their conflict focused, commercial algorithms work well at pushing opinions, creating backlash, before opinions form in physical forums.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/17/egypt-eu-deal-refugees-mediterranean

tappanch
tappanch
March 17, 2024 22:33
Reply to  tappanch

Hi Istvan (Chicago),

There is an avalanche of lies against Israel since October 2023.

CNN and other US news outlets accept the daily casualty figures of the Hamas propaganda department (“Gaza health ministry”) without questioning.
The videos inside Gaza are mostly made by the Qatari Al-Jazeera network and distributed to the US media.

The newest lie is that Israel starves the Gazans.

In fact, more trucks with food enter Gaza than before the war. (+ air drops + now shiploads)

It took me four hours, but here is what I mined from UN’s own statistics.

The UN statistical data cover exactly 200 months,
[June 2007, January 2024]. In 196 out of 200 months, fewer trucks carrying food entered Gaza than in January 2024.

Just before the war, in September 2023, 2199 trucks carrying food entered Gaza from Israel.
In January 2024, this number was 2959.

If you add food, medical supplies, hygienic and cleaning supplies together this was the average daily truckload .

2023: 82 (through September)
2022: 79
2021: 84
2020: 85
2019: 76
2018: 76
2017: 70
2016: 68
2015: 58
2014: 65
2013: 58
2012: 53
2011: 56
2010: 59
2009: 64
2008: 44
2007: 44 (from June)

The number of trucks since January 2024:

[March 08, March 14]:      164 trucks/day
[March 01, March 07]:      165 trucks/day
[February 23, February 29]:    111 trucks/day
[February 16, February 22]:    90 trucks/day
[February 09, February 15]:    47 trucks/day
[February 02, February 08]:    133 trucks/day
[January 26, February 01]:    136 trucks/day
[January 19, January 25]:    156 trucks/day
[January 12, January 18]:    156 trucks/day
[January 05, January 11]:    145 trucks/day

As you can see, there was only one week in 2024, when fewer trucks entered Gaza than before the war.

Most other trucks entering Gaza before the war contained “construction materials”, I guess mostly for the tunnels.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 18, 2024 01:59
Reply to  tappanch

tappanch if your numbers are correct and “In fact, more trucks with food enter Gaza than before the war. ” Why are several nations including D and NL dropping aid packages over GAZA? Why don’t you see any trucks or at least one on the streets of GAZA from the drop height? The news we see in D is not produced by “Qatari Al-Jazeera network”. Are they all lying too? What should be the logic for D? Why are the Jews demonstrating against the Israeli government is that also a lie directly from Israel by German reporters?

“Most other trucks entering Gaza before the war contained “construction materials”, I guess mostly for the tunnels.” Your guess – What kind of shit is that?

tappanch
tappanch
March 18, 2024 03:33
Reply to  Don Kichote

There are only a few thousand Israeli troops inside Gaza, they do not have the capacity to hand out the food. That is a strategic mistake on the part of the Israeli military leadership.

There is a distribution problem inside Gaza. The food enters Gaza. Hamas and other gunmen steal some of the food right away.

———–
Let us see the last full year, 2022. The number of trucks carrying

Human food products: 26554 trucks.

Construction + Construction materials: 53694 trucks.

Construction = 2* Food

First nine months of 2023:

Human food products: 20562 trucks.

Construction + Construction materials: 45254 trucks.

Construction > 2* Food

——–

The Biden administration wants quiet before the November election. Hamas will be resupplied by then.

Yes, there is now a concerted Biden-Qatar lying campaign against Israel !

I am not paranoid,
my statement is based on facts, and I voted for Biden in 2020.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 04:25
Reply to  tappanch

“CNN and other US news outlets accept the daily casualty figures of the Hamas propaganda department (“Gaza health ministry”) without questioning.
The videos inside Gaza are mostly made by the Qatari Al-Jazeera network and distributed to the US media.”

Hala Gorani: “This is not a war that has been covered by journalists, similar to any other conflict before, because we’re not there” Yes international journalists aren’t there, but Palestinian journalists are (and Israel is murdering them). They shouldn’t be ignored.

tappanch
tappanch
March 17, 2024 23:28
Reply to  tappanch

@ Istvan (Chicago)

Israel’s casualties
(my calculation comes from Israeli sources)

October 7: about 900 civilian dead, ???? injured, ???? raped.

military casualties:
[October 7-26 (before the ground war),
but mostly on October 7 & 8 +
ground war, i.e. October 27 to March 16]

[ 343 + 249] killed;

[ 174 + 310] seriously wounded;
[ 323 + 491] moderately wounded;
[1102 + 679] lightly wounded.

In February, Israel withdrew all of its reservists, i.e. most of its troops from Gaza, the rhetoric notwithstanding.

tappanch
tappanch
March 18, 2024 00:49
Reply to  tappanch

The 900 Israeli civilians is equivalent to 30,000 dead US civilians. October 7 was ten times as large for Israel as September 11 was for the US.

And the US did not get 15 thousand incoming enemy missiles.

Osama bin Laden was 7,000 miles from the US.

Rafakh is just 2 miles from Israel with the remaining 20,000 armed Hamas men.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 17, 2024 12:30

The sect leader Pope Francis has criticized the European Union for its treatment of Hungary. The Catholic nutcase wants to see us at the stake or in prison! 🤮

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 17, 2024 13:22
Reply to  Don Kichote

Gerontocracy is on the rise, so the Pope feels more at home in politics.

Last edited 1 month ago by Michael Detreköy
Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 17, 2024 15:28
Reply to  Don Kichote

Two writers for the AP news service and also the National Catholic Reporter see the evolution of the relationship between Orban and Pope Francis as being fairly complex. They are Nicole Winfield and Justin Spike, and this article https://www.ncronline.org/vatican/vatican-news/vatican-diplomats-seek-defuse-outrage-over-pope-francis-ukraine-white-flag was also interesting.

The statement from Francis on the EU and Hungary is very similar to criticism of the EU’s secular nature Francis has exhibited before. This actually is reflected a division in US Catholic Church on the separation of church and state. Because while the non establishment clause in the US constitution helped Catholic immigrants like my own family to the USA have their institutions in the majority Protestant nation it still creates problems for Catholic doctrine.

This survey https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/10/28/in-u-s-far-more-support-than-oppose-separation-of-church-and-state/ shows the enduring support for separation of church and state in the USA even for Catholics.

The current position of the Church in the USA can be read here https://www.usccb.org/committees/religious-liberty/first-freedom-blog-separation-church-and-state. To be honest it’s not fully consistent with some things Francis has said.

US practicing Catholics are on the whole more liberal than the Church too.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 17, 2024 17:30

We have already written about this, I have nothing against the faith, but every church without exception abuses the faith. Popes lie and interfere in things that have nothing to do with the faith … including the priests, of course. Például Balog!

“A Munich law firm has severely incriminated numerous high-ranking officials of the Catholic Church in an expert report on sexual abuse. Among them is Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI.” They are and remain smug liars.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 17, 2024 20:20
Reply to  Don Kichote

I was not discussing the US Church’s sexual abuse cases that have bankrupted some dioceses. But it is true the Chicago Archdiocese has settled many cases but has not filed for bankruptcy, instead it has made many cuts closing churches, divesting from Catholic hospitals and social service programs.

I was responding to the link regarding Pope Francis and his EU comment.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 17, 2024 21:50

I understood your post very well only the abuse of the church goes much further than sexual abuse. Why do you think you have to confess, it wasn’t a requirement in the old testament. The church only added it to exercise its power over the faithful. The church has invented many tools that are irrelevant to faith – if you know the Bible, think about it. Purgatory – who is it supposed to serve … do you think a few judges will sit there and watch you for a few thousand years and then free you or send you to the devil? Did Jesus ever talk about that?

In Germany, the church’s possessions are huge and the worldly punishments are tiny. The priests can sexually abuse every single child and wouldn’t go broke if they were convicted.

tappanch
tappanch
March 17, 2024 12:31

Ursula released 10.2 billion euros to Orban last December because the “Council of Judges” were given more power.

But the new chairman of the Council wants to work “constructively” with the Orban government and the Orban-appointed judicial heads.

“Ha egyetlen szóval kellene jellemeznem a 2018-ban alakult OBT tevékenységét, magam is a harciasságot említeném. Hat év múlva, a mandátumunk lejárta után nem szeretném, ha mi is harcias testületként, de azt sem, ha egy lojális társaságként maradnánk meg az emberek emlékezetében. Leginkább annak örülnék, ha a konstruktivitás jellemezné a mostani OBT-t.”

‘If I had to describe the activities of the previous Council (established in 2018) in one word, I would mention its militancy myself. Six years from now, after the end of our mandate, I don’t want us to be remembered neither as a militant body, nor as a loyal company. I would be most happy if the current Council were characterized by its constructive attitude.’

https://hvg.hu/360/20240317_szabo-peter-orszagos-biroi-tanacs-fuggetlenseg-kuria-kormany

tappanch
tappanch
March 18, 2024 04:31

The Rogan propaganda machine has started to denigrate Peter Magyar.

See Magyar’s long note on facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/peter.magyar.102

tappanch
tappanch
March 18, 2024 05:14

The fake Russian presidential election is over.
Russian attacks are intensifying.
Putin wants to occupy more territory from Ukraine.

“Не исключаю, что нам придется в какой-то момент создать определенную санитарную зону на территориях подчиненных киевскому режиму”

‘I do not rule out that at some point we will have to create a certain sanitary zone in the territories which are under the Kyiv regime’

https://t.me/bbbreaking/177668

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 18, 2024 17:11

Responding to Don on sexual abuse and apparently corruption within the Catholic Church. Yes it’s true the Vatican financial scandals are well known and are covered in the Catholic media in the USA.

Most liberal Catholics who are University educated are aware of those scandals. But the truth is most Catholics here are born into the faith and converts are pretty rare.

It’s even more so in Esztergom where most parishes there are collections of family groupings even in graveyards. One can look at it as a cult as you do Don or as a community as many American Catholics do.

I had occasion in the last year to attend mass at a Catholic mission Church in New Mexico at Mission San Esteban del Rey de Acoma which was built in 1640 on the top of a mesa for native people. Those enslaved Pueblo Indians actually revolted against the Spanish and were slaughtered in mass including a Catholic friar who supported the revolt who was burned alive.

My wife who is one quarter Native American by birth and is a member of the Seneca tribe from New York State but raised as a Methodist was deeply moved by the story. Catholicism is many things to many people including those Pueblo Indians who honor their Spanish friar from hundreds of years ago who revolted both against his King and the Catholic Church. Pope Francis has now proposed that friar‘s veneration. He has also asked native people for forgiveness for the crimes of the Church against them.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 19, 2024 05:01

The belated realization that non-white-Christian birth rates far surpass white-Western averages in the West, has the Western white supremacy world panicking, on the Right.

tappanch
tappanch
March 19, 2024 11:51

The new “president of Hungary” claimed recently that his father was a “philo-semite”.

Well, his father was not only the leader of the “Hungarian National Socialist Party” of Fejer county in 1944 (its national leader was the infamous Baky), but just a few days after the deportation of Jews of Szekesfehervar, he demanded a “Jew” apartment and furniture for his party, which he did receive.

the documents:

http://www.hocipo.hu/images/stories/sulyok/01xl.jpg

http://www.hocipo.hu/content/view/24196_zsidolakas_zsidobutor_egy_nap_alatt_sulyok_filoszemita_apjanak

tappanch
tappanch
March 19, 2024 20:32

Orban has fielded two candidates against the current mayor of Budapest.

The official candidate (government spokeswoman until yesterday and the wife of the defense minister cum oligarch) has no chance.

The stealth candidate, Orban’s former undersecretary (and distant relative) Vitezy tries to sell himself as a nonpartisan technocrat. He hopes to win with some of the opposition votes. (The minuscule and not-so-opposition party LMP supports him)

https://hvg.hu/itthon/20240319_karacsony-reakcio-vitezy-indulas-valasztas-fopolgarmester-valasztasegyozi

tappanch
tappanch
March 19, 2024 20:48
Reply to  tappanch

Vitezy’s family and political ties to Orban:

David Vitezy’s father died six weeks ago. He had four wives.

His first wife was Orban’s mother’s sister. Their daughter (i.e. Orban’s cousin) is now the Hungarian ambassador to Colombia.

His third wife was David’s mother. She was also a MEP of Orban’s party.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 19, 2024 21:14

Israeli forces killed Faiq Al-Mabhouh, commander of Gaza’s civilian police, during last nights attack on Al-Shifa Hospital. This comes just days after Biden warned Israel to stop targeting members of Gaza’s police force who escort aid trucks because of the breakdown in order.”

tappanch
tappanch
March 19, 2024 22:32
Reply to  Don Kichote

All right, I am taking the bait… 🙂

“The IDF eliminated overnight Monday the head of the Operations Directorate of Hamas’ Internal Security, Faiq Mabhouh.”

“Mabhouh was hiding in a compound at Shifa, from which he operated and advanced terrorist activity. He was in charge, among other things, of coordinating the Hamas mechanisms in the Gaza Strip”

https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/03/18/idf-eliminates-hamas-internal-security-commander/

“IDF says some 300 terror suspects have been detained during the ongoing operation at Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital.According to the IDF, among the detainees are “dozens of prominent terrorists” in the Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups.

The captured operatives are allegedly involved in directing terror attacks in the West Bank, and include members of Hamas’s propaganda unit and members of Islamic Jihad’s rocket unit”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-more-than-300-terror-suspects-detained-in-shifa-hospital/

In the hours-long firefight, two Israeli soldiers and 30 or 50 [two different sources] Hamas members were killed.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 02:30
Reply to  tappanch

According to an IDF statement, Faiq Mabhouh was hiding in a compound at Shifa, from which he operated and advanced terrorist activity.”

The Israel Defense Forces … Anyone who believes Israel can safely believe Orban and Putin!

Last edited 1 month ago by Don Kichote
tappanch
tappanch
March 19, 2024 23:12

The US Supreme court just ruled that a new Texas law about immigrants overrides the executive power of the federal government.

The ruling:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23a814_febh.pdf

The dissenting opinions:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23a814_febh.pdf#page=6
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/23a814_febh.pdf#page=16

tappanch
tappanch
March 19, 2024 23:19
Reply to  tappanch

“Southwestern encounters”

December:
2020: 74 K
2021: 179 K
2022: 252 K
2023: 302 K

January:
2021: 78 K
2022: 155 K
2023: 157 K
2024: 176 K

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 20, 2024 14:53
Reply to  tappanch

Believe it or not the Federal Appellate Court froze the Supreme Court ruling potentially allowing the State of Texas to remove undocumented migrants from the USA. See https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/19/supreme-court-texas-immigration-law/.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 02:59

“Diala Ayesh hostage for 2 months. She was kidnapped on 17 January 2024. Her crime: she was a lawyer defending the rights of other Palestinians hostages, known as “administrative detainees” by Israel. Ayesh is one of at least 3,484 Palestinians taken hostage by the state of Israel. I use the word hostage because Diala Ayesh was not told why she was taken. She has not been charged w/anything. Her imprisonment is renewable, indefinitely. And she was taken, like many other Palestinians, to be used as a bargaining chip in hostage negotiations. If you are calling for the release of the hostages, but only the Israeli hostages, not the Palestinian hostages, you are contributing to the dehumanization of the Palestinian people. #BringThemHome source of the count of hostages taken by Israel: https://middleeastmonitor.com/20240316-israe

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 03:12
Reply to  Don Kichote

“… An estimated 10,000 Palestinian children have been held in military detention over the past 20 years, with Save the Children stating that they are “the only children in the world systematically prosecuted in military courts”. As of November 20, Israeli forces had detained up to 880 Palestinian children this year, a practice made possible by Israel’s draconian military laws. …”

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Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 03:19
Reply to  Don Kichote

“… Rights groups say the longer Israel takes to decide the right legal path, the longer suspected perpetrators languish in poor conditions and with no known contact with the outside world. At least 27 Palestinians from Gaza have died in Israeli custody since the war began, according to Israeli figures. …” … according to Israeli figures.

tappanch
tappanch
March 20, 2024 04:21
Reply to  Don Kichote

from the article you quote:

““Under Israeli military law… throwing stones and objects is a specific offense under the military law, says Parker, noting that this is the most common charge.

Stone throwing can kill and does kill. Almost all of these “children” are 17 or 18 years old.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 04:27
Reply to  tappanch

“Almost all of these “children” are 17 or 18 years old.”
https://twitter.com/i/status/1769373649079840911

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 14:49
Reply to  tappanch

“Almost all of these “children” are 17 or 18 years old.”

Torture and other ill-treatment

Israeli security forces continued to torture and ill-treat Palestinian detainees. As in previous years, the police’s internal investigation unit (Mahash) did not thoroughly investigate complaints of torture. On November 24, 2022, the district court in Be’er Sheva extended Ahmad Manasra’s solitary confinement for another four months. He had been imprisoned as a 13-year-old in 2015 and had been held in solitary confinement in isolated conditions since November 2021, which amounted to torture. In September, the same court rejected his application for early release on medical grounds, even though he had developed a serious mental illness while in detention.

tappanch
tappanch
March 20, 2024 04:06
Reply to  Don Kichote

#1
The legal basis of the “administrative detention” originates in the British legal system. It is applied to West Bank Jews as well.

#2
The US law also accepts it. See Guantanamo.

#3
So Ms Diala Ayesh was in detention for two months.

Hungary is not at war.
But in Hungary people can be held in detention (“előzetes letartóztatás“) for up to four years on the basis of “strong suspicion” (alapos gyanú).

#4
Middle East Monitor (MEMO):

“MEMO is pro-Palestinian and supports Islamist causes. It is regarded as an outlet for the Muslim Brotherhood and its website strongly promotes pro-Hamas content. MEMO is financed by the State of Qatar.”

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 03:45

The Idus Martiae today is a metaphor used in art for impending doom, originally referring to the assassination of Gaius Iulius Caesar on March 15 of that year.

Our Kaesar is carried on the hands from his fellows. Also … but on another 15th, 250,000 Austrians celebrate and cheer Hitler on Heldenplatz in Vienna. They celebrated the annexation of Austria to the German Reich. Any Hungarian freedom fighters would be eliminated by Kaesar today.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 20, 2024 04:08

“All right, I am taking the bait… 🙂” It’s not my bite that you take.

wolf
wolf
March 20, 2024 10:17

This really saved my day, made me and my wife laugh like mad:
https://kafkadesk.org/2024/03/20/hungary-and-slovakia-launch-the-v-2/#like-46960
The first 10 seconds I thought: Have they gone crazy?
And then I realised it was a fantastic satire …
Thank you, Kafkadesk!

Theestampe
Theestampe
March 20, 2024 10:40
Reply to  wolf

Excellent indeed! And not that far-fetched in a sense.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 20, 2024 15:14

Today Magyar Nemzet ran a story about President Biden’s confusion when speaking extemporaneously https://magyarnemzet.hu/kulfold/2024/03/trumpot-vadolva-bizonyitotta-alkalmatlansagat-biden.

It is true and sadly Biden’s speech writers can’t get the President to stop going off script. Trump babels endlessly using no script at all, which of course Magyar Nemzet does not discuss.

It’s really a sad situation.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 21, 2024 03:08

A sad situation it is indeed – BUT – Since Trump is an old borderline narcissistic psychotic, drifting on the winds of popularity with no capacity to learn, Biden – old and over ripe – has enough grounding to retain the capacity to weigh advice and decide .
in accordance to that.
Really, the lack of qualified succession in the US political leadership is the basic problem the US has to deal with, as voters and citizens.
A democracy doesn’t get the leaders it really needs, unless people support them.
Biden represents a long tradition of stability.
Trump represents instability.

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Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 21, 2024 03:39

And so, we (in Europe) recognize that the US is knee deep in a state of national identity confusion.
That is the single thing people like Orbán address.
They appeal to the white-Christian supremacy, and don’t acknowledge the plural reality, encouraging whites to take power and end democracy.
Of course, Trump sucks that up, seeing himself on Mount Rushmore – not unlike our aquaintances in Russia and China.

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Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 21, 2024 05:47

By the way, the carnage in Gaza refects very badly on Trump, given his pro-white attitudes in favor of Israeli (over)retaliatory politics and obvious administrative colonialism.
When that isn’t a call for restraint among his supporters, there is little basis for American self respect, as an international player.

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Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 21, 2024 14:09

Trump’s son in law Jared Kushner says Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’
Donald Trump’s son-in-law also says Israel should bulldoze an area of the Negev desert and move Palestinians there
is all over the Arab media. He must be as unhinged as his father in-law to make those public statements.

tappanch
tappanch
March 21, 2024 14:26

From Mr Kushner:

March 20,

“For those dishonestly using selected parts of my remarks from 1 month ago at Harvards Kennedy School
to sensationalize, here they are in full….

I expressed my dismay that the Palestinian people have watched their leaders squander decades of Western aid on tunnels and weapons rather than on improving their lives.

I stand by this and believe the Palestinian people’s lives will improve ONLY when the international community and their citizenry start demanding accountability from their leadership.”

https://twitter.com/jaredkushner/status/1770228476521693362

The full conversation:

https://twitter.com/jaredkushner/status/1767296929187144114

tappanch
tappanch
March 21, 2024 17:53
Reply to  tappanch

Please actually watch the 90+ minute conversation before commenting

To summarize.

#1
After peace, the future Gaza beach front hotels should be owned by the Gazans to improve their standard of living from tourism.

#2
If civilians move to a non-fighting area, they are less likely to be killed during the fighting.

Neither Kushner, nor the Israeli government want to empty Gaza permanently.

tappanch
tappanch
March 21, 2024 14:45

Kushner is not unhinged. Watch the video.

The civilian population of Gaza should be moved out while the Israeli army is destroying the Hamas military.

Then they can move back, unharmed.

It should be Egypt’s international obligation to take in the refugees from the war.

But if they do not want to accept their fellow Arabs, then Israel should move them out into the Negev in Israel (temporarily!) while there are fights in Gaza to protect the lives of the Gaza civilians.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 21, 2024 16:22
Reply to  tappanch

Regarding a population as plants that can be simply moved around, doesn’t sound very realistic in my ears.
Israel has been doing that for decades, while pretending to determine which “plants” should be considered healthy and which should be eradicated – with little effect.

tappanch
tappanch
March 21, 2024 10:57

In the last 13 years, almost 1.2 million ethnic (1,175,934) Hungarians living abroad received Hungarian citizenship.
(First published data about this topic in the last 7 years)

Of which 447,933 registered successfully to vote in the Hungarian elections.

By country:

296,739 (66.27%) Romania
83,364 (18.62%) Serbia
33,264 ( 7.43%) Ukraine + Slovakia + Austria
8,809 ( 1.97%) Germany
3,706 ( 0.83%) USA
2,923 ( 0.65%) UK
2,553 ( 0.57%) Canada
2,139 ( 0.48%) Switzerland
1,490 ( 0.33%) Australia
1,285 ( 0.29%) Australia

Eligible voters with Hungarian address: 7,683,638
Eligible voters without Hungarian address 447,964 (5.5%)

Eligible voters for the local elections:

Hungarians with Hungarian address: 7,683,638
Other EU citizens with Hungarian address: 136.958
From outside the EU with Hungarian address: 35,368

Sources:
https://www.parlament.hu/irom42/07670/07670-0001.pdf

https://www.valasztas.hu/kulhoni-magyar-allampolgarok-valasztasi-regisztracioja

https://www.valasztas.hu/valasztopolgarok-szama-valasztastipusonkent

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 21, 2024 20:01

Orban’s Fidesz family club is digging itself deeper into the muddy ground whose depth has not yet been reached. Violence against women is part and parcel of the good manners of white Catholic men, but it is not the order of the day. Normally the women trip over the dog and fall unhappily into a fist. This time, however, the scenario does not seem to have been fully constructed. What we know so far is “Péter Magyar says there was a police report about their quarrel, Judit Varga reacted with a post about relationship violence“. To be continued …

wolf
wolf
March 21, 2024 21:33

It’s getting crazier …
Only one EU country’s boss congratulated Putin for winning the elction. Some EU politicians got a bit angry because of this …
Do you have any idea who it was?
https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/viktor-orban-gratuliert-wladimir-putin-zur-wiederwahl-umgehende-kritik-aus-bruessel-a-8558ef76-e0da-4bab-9d36-3228bdfd0e50
This news will surely be discussed in all media.

tappanch
tappanch
March 21, 2024 21:41

News #1

The Hungarian state-owned hospitals have accumulated $300 million in debt.
The government could not find the money to pay the bills so far.

News #2

An unnamed Hungarian oligarch just ordered a new yacht for $100 million.

Sources:
https://nepszava.hu/3229392_egeszsegugy-korhazak-adossag-eszkozhiany-osztalyok-felfuggesztese

https://vsquare.org/goulash-megayacht-orban-russia-spies-austria-trump-slovakia-elections/

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 04:48

Hungary is helping the Kremlin militarily in Chad – under the guise of “Hungary Helps”. 😀

“This photo of Mahamat Idriss Déby Itno was published by Russian state media – the Chadian interim president in the Kremlin, which could also be seen as a signal to the West”

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 22, 2024 04:52

While the EU discusses continued and more effective support for Ukraine,, obviously lacking in response to the totalitarian Russian effort, Orbán floats.
He inhabits the terriritory of doubt between adversaries and makes that his “home turf””. A clean-sheet for a “cheap” opportunist, but a risky a gamble for anyone else.
The next 6 months are decisive.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 22, 2024 16:29

This article https://magyarnemzet.hu/belfold/2024/03/hamarosan-interjut-ad-orban-viktor-kovesse-nalunk-eloben-5 provides a discussion of Orban’s comments on Kossuth radio Good morning, Hungary! show today.

It was largely composed of an attempt by Orban to terrify the Hungarian public into believing NATO is preparing for a direct ground based intervention in Ukraine against Russian forces.

The report quoted Orban as stating: They (European NATO supporters) are in a spiral of war, which results in more and more serious things. ”  The article indicated that Orban pointed out that they (NATO supporters) are now talking about the fact that soldiers should also be stationed on the territory of Ukraine.

Orban also called for the removal of Gyurcsány people from the city administration of Budapest, apparently by electoral means.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 17:53

Trump has also announced, almost threatened, to replace everyone who does not support him. It was the same with the Nazis in Germany and the fascists in Italy, and later also with the communists.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 22, 2024 18:43

It counts a lot on the theatrical credibility-scale established by the Kremlin and widely accepted by far right media across the world.
They lead the propaganda race by not bothering to check reality.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 12:07

“There is an avalanche of lies against Israel since October 2023.” This is a big lie!

That is Israeli propaganda! For several years the Israelis, mainly Zionists, have been slaughtering Palestinians out of greed. They earn billions through expropriation like the Nazis did in Germany.

“There are over 15,000 demolition orders in Jerusalem alone, in some cases they give the family the choice to demolish their own home, or the zionists make you pay for the demolition”

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 17:57
Reply to  Don Kichote

UN official data about Israel:

Demolition of inhabited residential “structures” (apartment, floor or house)

2023, January 1 through October 6:
207

Breakdown:

E Jerusalem + Area C   + Area A&B=Total

Lack of permits      73+   70+   0   = 143
Military operation   0+   0+   46   = 46
Punitive order      3+   3+   10   = 16
other         2+   0+   0   =  2

Total:         78+   73+   56   = 207

Punitive order:
the owner committed a terrorist attack,
in which s/he managed to murder someone.

Hungarian official data about Hungary:
evictions:

2023, January 1 through September 30:
1884

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 18:18
Reply to  tappanch

Data from Nazis like Israel or Hungary are irrelevant because they are falsified. It may be that the data from the victims is not correct either. But the point is that the governments falsify because of their propaganda, and the Hungarians have been cultivating this tradition for over 150 years. “Trau schau wem” is an old saying to avoid falling for it yourself.

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 19:03
Reply to  Don Kichote

The data came from the United Nations, not from Israel.

But you can call the United Nations Nazis if you wish.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 19:14
Reply to  tappanch

I didn’t call the UN Nazis if you want to put that in my mouth.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 16:13
tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 19:22
Reply to  Don Kichote

UN data:

In the 1-week period, March 15 through 21,

1069 trucks entered Gaza via Kerem Shalom and Nitzana-Rafah..

My calculation: 1 truck is about 20 tons = 20,000 kilograms.

1069 trucks = 21,380,000 kilogram

that is about 10 kg/Gazan

Add the to this total the new northern entry point + the air drops

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 19:38
Reply to  tappanch

The situation is as follows the occupiers claim a lot but nothing can be seen.

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 20:08
Reply to  Don Kichote

Just a reminder:

Hamas was the occupier of Gaza for 18 years.

(between September 12, 2005
and October 27, 2023.)

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 20:01
Reply to  tappanch

UN data: 1069 trucks ,
Israeli data: 1082 trucks entered Gaza via Kerem Shalom and Nitzana-Rafah.

The two numbers are pretty close.

wolf
wolf
March 22, 2024 17:33

O1G tells his people to “occupy Brussels” and also declared a war on Biden/Pressman etc.
Seems Fiesz really hopes that the right wing (dare I say fascists?) will win the EU elections and Trump will return as US president.
And now for the good news:
It has been a tradition for the last 200 years for Hungarian rulers to lose every war they started or joined.
And today I almost had to throw up when my wife showed me the latest billboard. Iturned away, did not look at the text – the picture was enough for me.

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Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 19:33

Trump nominated Haley as the United States Ambassador to the United Nations in November 2016. In the 2016 presidential primary, Haley came out in favor of Marco Rubio. When Rubio withdrew his candidacy, she spoke out in favor of Ted Cruz. Most of the time, people like that are appointed because they have donated a lot of money – you would think they bought their office. People like Rubio or Cruz, the trash heap of the Republicans, are Trump’s backers. Before anyone tries to put untruths in my mouth here, please read exactly what was written!

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 20:35

Today, the Israeli-occupied territories comprise the West Bank including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights. The Gaza Strip was cleared of Israeli settlements and military bases in 2005 in accordance with Ariel Sharon’s unilateral disengagement plan, but is still considered by the UN to be Palestinian territory occupied by Israel. 🙂

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 22, 2024 20:45

Do you do it this way tappanch if there is something in Wiki that you don’t like, then you delete the post. Orban and Putin do exactly the same thing.

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 21:25

Terror attack in the Moscow suburb on March 22.

Ukrainian government:

“Ukraine certainly has nothing to do with the shooting/explosions in the Crocus City Hall (Moscow Region, Russia). It makes no sense whatsoever.”

https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1771258890170057119?

—————-

US Embassy warned US citizens already on March 7:

“The Embassy is monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts, and U.S. citizens should be advised to avoid large gatherings over the next 48 hours.”

https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 21:28
Reply to  tappanch

Earlier today, Russia upgraded its “special military operation” in Ukraine to “war” and knocked out the electricity in large part of Ukraine.

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 21:29
Reply to  tappanch

“Ukrainian Military Intelligence calls terror attack in Moscow a provocation by Putin’s regime, aimed to justify more brutal strikes against Ukraine and total mobilisation”

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 22:22
Reply to  tappanch

The terrorists were most likely Sunni Islamists.

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 22:33
Reply to  tappanch

Around 30 percent of the Russian population will practice Islam within the next 15 years, Russia’s grand mufti has predicted”

the current Muslim population in Russia at between 14 million and 20 million people, or between 10 to 14 percent of Russia’s total population of 146.8 million in 2018″

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/putin-wants-what-chinas-xi-already-has-his-own-internet-a64707

tappanch
tappanch
March 22, 2024 22:41
Reply to  tappanch

Well, my hunch seems to be correct:

“Islamic State has claimed responsibility on its Telegram channel for the attacks at the Crocus City Hall near Moscow, Reuters is reporting.”

tappanch
tappanch
March 23, 2024 10:21
Reply to  tappanch

News at Saturday morning 10:02 AM, Moscow time:

At least 93 dead in the terror attack.

The Putin regime desperately wants to blame Ukraine.

They arrested people “who have contacts in Ukraine and wanted to flee there”

So far 11 arrests including 4 terrorists.

https://t.me/s/tass_agency

tappanch
tappanch
March 23, 2024 14:36
Reply to  tappanch

09:23 EDT=
14:23 Central European time=
16:23 Moscow time

The number of dead is at least 133

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 00:52

An apparent terrorist attack at a club/shopping center in Moscow.

Carpathian Viking says:

“How much shall we believe the words of a #President, who when he was a candidate in September 1999 bombed appartmentbuildings to whip up support for his campaign and to start the 2nd #ChechenWar? #PutinWarCriminal”

The background to this is a new Russian mobilization to add a larger army like the current European army in addition to the current one.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 23, 2024 02:07
Reply to  Don Kichote

One thing I think we can be sure of, is that Putin will use this opportunity to fine-tune all possible control-parameters.
There isn’t much he can do about Islamistic terror in Russia and against Russian interests, except to be prepared.
It would serve the Ukrainian side well, if a new and “invisible” front opened in Russia.
My best guess is that the Russian, North African campaign backfires and now lands bombs in Putin’s lap.
It has often been said that underestimating an adversary opens for defeat, and (knowing Russian world view) that may well be the case now.

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Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 02:50

Why would Islamist terror blow up a club? Wouldn’t an airfield or an oil refinery or a nuclear power plant be much more effective? A club … are the “terrorists” stupid?

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 23, 2024 03:23
Reply to  Don Kichote

They are not stupid at all, by any means.
Terrorists don’t represent a state or an established military power, as such.
We are talking about trained and armed civilians in militant networks and faith-based circles, who operate in civilian environments
The only weapon at their disposal is surprise, inciting fear and threatening the order of peaceful civilian life.
Suicide missions are the ultimate expressions of terror, but well planned attacks also have great effect.
The terror of Bader-Meinhof and Rote Armé in Germany are class examples. PLO too.
Of course, the terrorism has evolved a lot from there.
.

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Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 04:28

Bader-Meinhof were not typical terrorists, they fought against the omnipotence of the German state. They even had many sympathizers among the German people. After the Second World War, the old Nazis were reinstated in office because they could not be replaced as easily as judges, public prosecutors or major industrialists. That’s why the legal system and individuals were targeted by the organization. In Russia, with the war in Ukraine, the situation is different. However, if you need an alibi to crack down, a club would be enough, but not for real “political” goals. To really damage a state like Russia, it would have to hurt financially. The World Trade Center was a symbol of the tallest buildings and the center of the financial sector. So a gas pipeline to China or the power supply to a major city or the decimation of military equipment on the Crimea or similar would be a target for real terrorists.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 23, 2024 04:42
Reply to  Don Kichote

I’m sorry to say that your focus on details and circumstances prevents you from seeing the true nature of terror, which ultimately amounts to opportunism and opportunity, not strategy.

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Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 05:14

There are states that use the threat posed by global terrorist groups as an excuse to denigrate dissenters as terrorists, to suppress them with the approval of external actors and to restrict the work of the peaceful opposition. Some of these states incite terrorist attacks in order to legitimize their goals from the population. You don’t have to feel sorry that this possibility exists. 🙂

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 23, 2024 10:49
Reply to  Don Kichote

That’s politics.

tappanch
tappanch
March 23, 2024 15:08

The Putin regime wants to blame Ukraine.

“The Russian Federation will do everything so the West wake up from its “daze of permissiveness” for Kyiv, Zakharova said.”

Look at this ordered list.
“Russian foreign minister Lavrov’s first “contacts” after the terror attack:
Hungary, Turkey, Jordan, Mali.

tappanch
tappanch
March 23, 2024 15:20
Reply to  tappanch

This reminds me of the March 11, 2004 terror attack at the Atocha train station in Madrid (193 dead)

The ruling PP immediately blamed, falsely, the Basque ETA to get political points. But the truth came out: The terrorists were “local cells of Islamic extremists” of Moroccan origin.

tappanch
tappanch
March 23, 2024 15:43
Reply to  tappanch

“The identities of four of the six alleged terrorists who carried out the shooting at Crocus City Hall in Moscow have been revealed.

1) Nasridinov Makhmadrasul 37 years old
2) Ismonov Rivozhidin 51 years old
3) Safolzoda Shokhinjonn 21 years old
4) Nazarov Rustam 29 years old.

All of them are citizens of Tajikistan.
It is still unknown which of them has been detained.”

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 16:11

You read that right; Israel is deporting 20 Palestinian children with cancer who were treated in East Jerusalem (Palestinian territory illegally occupied by Israel) to Gaza, where there is nothing but Israeli bombs, hunger and suffering. Especially no cancer treatment. They are sent to their deaths. This is reported by the newspaper Yediut Ahranot. And not a single German media outlet mentions it. What else has to happen for
@ABaerbock
criticize the inhuman Israeli regime?

tappanch
tappanch
March 23, 2024 16:57
Reply to  Don Kichote

@Don K

I am bored with the lies and less-than-half truths you pick up from Islamist twitter accounts.

#1
Even Hamas Supreme leader Haniyeh’s sister gets free health care in Israel.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-785314

#2
These cancer patients are Gazans. They still received health care in Israel (as many Gazans did in the last 18 years).

Their treatment was finished between October 7, 2023 and February 2024 They were supposed to go back to Gaza. But on March 21, 2024, the Israeli Supreme court blocked their return to Gaza because of the war.

#3
East Jerusalem has NEVER been “Palestinian territory”.
It was Jordanian between 1948 and 1967. Israel took it in a defensive war in 1967.

Jordan gave up its claim to East Jerusalem and the West Bank in 1988.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 16:13

Tajikistan denies Russian media reports that 3 Tajik citizens carried out #MoscowAttack. It says 2 of the men were at home in Tajikistan at the time of attack, 3rd man was and still is in Samara. https://vkd.tj/index.php/ru/sobytiya/37714-khabahdgr23ri-favr-2

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 16:17

Though Putin and the Russian state media are now running with the “Ukraine traces” in the terrorists’ getaway story, iStories points out that the suspects appear to have been headed for Belarus, not Ukraine.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 16:21
Reply to  Don Kichote

The Putin administration has instructed Russian state-funded and pro-government media to emphasize possible “traces” of Ukrainian involvement in their reporting on Friday’s Crocus City Hall terrorist attack, according to Meduza’s sources.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 23, 2024 23:52
Reply to  Don Kichote

Putin has a statement on Russian TV translated into English explicitly saying the Ukrainians have given at least support to the terrorists if not more. It can be seen on Russian Rt news if you can take it.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 16:24

The government which:
– shakes hands with war criminals
– runs fake news campaigns against the EU – insults elected officials
– believes itself to fight a war against ‘woke-mania’
– embezzles EU funds on a industrial scale,

accuses the EU of “hungarophobia”. Without any irony. 😀

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 23, 2024 18:24

@ tappanch I’m sorry that our host is bored with “my” lies, because a lie doesn’t even have a tiny amount of truth and can’t compete with half-truths. I myself hate lies and I hate liars even more – but the “information” I have published here is from a journalist’s account who has never been proven to have spread lies or half-truths or quarter-truths.

I have been writing for 15 years now and have been able to trust my sources. You have the option to delete comments according to your personal taste, which you make good use of. In my opinion, this is a strong distortion of the situation. In the last 15 years it has only happened very rarely that one of my comments was deleted, once by Dr. Prof. Balog, a comment that was supposed to warn against Boris Kálnoky, who had been praised as an independent journalist as on Eva’s blog but had worked for Orban’s ruling party. He wrote on a blog called Hungarian Voice but was clearly anti-democratic and politically right-wing in order to discredit “Western” free reporting on Hungary as lies. It took her a few more months to realize that Boris was not who she thought he was.

Of course I can see that Palestinian children who are completely healthy today have no business in Israel and that they should be allowed to return to a free and prosperous Palestine as soon as they have recovered. I myself am suffering from cancer and my doctors predict that I am incurable, but of course I cannot stay in hospital after my medication, just as the Palestinian children must return to Palestine. Forgive my exuberant but mendacious humanity and that I can’t blow the same horn as Israel. I am sorry because there is nothing wrong with their massacre of people who are all liars or half-truths. They are fellow sufferers like the Jews and Roma and other unworthy life back then not to forget the dissenters of which I am one.

Feel free to delete me so that I don’t bore you to death my soul would torture itself with this guilt … a bit like the yoke Chicagoisti has to bear when he wakes up in a cold sweat from his nightmares.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
March 23, 2024 23:46
Reply to  Don Kichote

Oh those Palestinian kids Don in Gaza who are being traumatized will become potential mass murders of Jews because of their experiences. Just like the unfortunate Jewish kids who survived the murders of their families in Kibbutz Be’eri near the Gaza border could potentially become mass murders of Palestinians in the future. Of course the reverse is likely true of Palestinian kids who had family killed by IDF bombings.

In the Vietnamese town of An Loc where I was trapped in 1972 with South Vietnamese forces not far from the Cambodian border we had civilian children trapped under bombardment for over 60 days.

I had been trained as an adviser and knew basic Vietnamese. My artillery command center where I and Vietnamese officers targeted our artillery fire was a farmhouse with a whole family with kids hiding in a small basement below us (called a hầm gốc). Those kids survived as did their parents.

In 1993 I went back to An Loc as part of a tour of reconciliation and met the family again and one of the members of the family who had been a child during war told me very quietly in Vietnamese that their father had sent to a re-education camp in 1975 for having been a local government official and he died in about 1985 after being released.

His life had not been great but he had a technical education and they still had a house for their family. What happens to children in war is not pretty, but these kids
grow up very confused and need serious therapy which is rarely provided. It’s a horror really.

tappanch
tappanch
March 24, 2024 03:06

“How the Gaza Ministry of Health Fakes Casualty Numbers”
A Professor of Statistics and Data Science at The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania proves that the Hamas (“Gaza Health Ministry”) daily casualty numbers are completely fake.

These fake numbers have been accepted, without questioning their validity, by the news organizations and by President Biden in his State of the Union.

These propaganda numbers are used by politicians all over the world to accuse Israel of war crimes, genocide against the Gaza civilians.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/how-gaza-health-ministry-fakes-casualty-numbers

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 24, 2024 03:29
Reply to  tappanch

The title of professor does not mean that the person holding the title is telling any truth. The test from far away Pennsylvania that some numbers correspond to reality in GAZA that you can blindly believe is completely naive. I don’t understand why Israel deliberately kills journalists and doesn’t want to investigate the perpetrators, but I do understand why no independent journalists report from GAZA. That Israel does not allow independent journalists can only mean that crimes and atrocities should be concealed. I believe the Israelies as much as Putin.

tappanch
tappanch
March 24, 2024 03:56
Reply to  Don Kichote

“I don’t understand why Israel deliberately kills journalists”

Another lie you read somewhere and accepted blindly.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 24, 2024 20:44
Reply to  tappanch
Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 24, 2024 20:53
Reply to  tappanch

Do you think people here are fools. 😀

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 24, 2024 03:40

Why did the American secret service know since March 7th ? that an attack was allegedly planned in Russia and warned its own people and Putin allegedly knew nothing. Or he knew something and didn’t care. That would be unlikely. What does IS have to do with the attack, why is it active now and why in Russia? If IS wants to spread terror, there are many more possibilities in the West. If the Ukraine had been behind it, they would have looked for a different target, ships bridges refineries arms factories and the like, and not a club in Moscow.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 24, 2024 10:21
Reply to  Don Kichote

Very likely, the Russians had the same intelligence, but later percieved the risk as being lower.
Typical for authoritarian states, they exercise higher levels of control and lower levels of actual civil protection.
Perhaps the Russian focus on the war in Ukraine allowed the terrorists just enough invisibility for successfully planning, preparing and executing the attack and escape.

tappanch
tappanch
March 24, 2024 03:45

(Chicago)

“Jewish kids who survived the murders of their families in Kibbutz Be’eri near the Gaza border could potentially become mass murders of Palestinians in the future.”

The history of the past 75 years does not support your prediction.

Palestinian Arabs killed about 4,700 Israeli civilians in more than a 1000 terror attacks (1949-2023)

I can recall only 2 cases in the same period when Jewish civilians committed mass murders against Arabs.

#1 1994: Baruch Goldstein killed 29 Muslims in Hebron.
He was lynched on the spot.
#2 2005: Eden Natan-Zada killed 4 Israeli Arabs in Shefa-Amr. He was lynched on the spot.

Jan
Jan
March 24, 2024 16:52

Here a rapport of the situation in Gaza from the IPC.
IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Feb_July2024_Special_Brief.pdf (ipcinfo.org)
It quite detailed, and the numbers seem to fit with the information in the press.
IPC Global Strategic Programme 2023-2026 | IPC – Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (ipcinfo.org)

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Jan
Jan
March 24, 2024 21:12
Reply to  Jan

Tappanch, I do not understand why you deleted the answer from Don on my post. And why do you think all the news about the humanitarian disaster in Gaza is a conspiracy?
Of the whole world? (Except Israel of course)

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 25, 2024 01:36
Reply to  Jan

Obviously tappanch is a nationalist Israeli who is convinced that if you don’t shout kill the Palestinians you are an anti-Semite.

In Nazi Germany it would have been good if several people had resisted this call to kill the Jews, but they would have been gassed along with the Jews, Roma, gays, dissidents, supposedly unworthy life (very simple minded people) and the disabled. But this logic is apparently too high for Israelis, many of whom condemn all those who do not stoically want to kill palestinians as anti-Semites. I have not yet read an answer to your question “I do not understand why you deleted the answer from Don on my post “, have you?

What I find even more curious is the reference to Mountainous Karabakh. Hää I only started the discussion about Israel GAZA here on the blog because tappanch made one-sided, unfair comments against Humanism, what kind of shit is that, like the Nazis back then. Any further discussion against humanity in Hungary is therefore
obsolete or rather untrustworthy.

tappanch
tappanch
March 24, 2024 21:13
Reply to  Jan

I do not know how IPC calculated, or whether they just assigned political rankings.

UN’s own numbers show that the number of trucks entering Gaza with food is not less than before the war.

Exception:
October, November 2023 and 1 week in February.2024.

UN official data:
all trucks entering Gaza
through Kerem Shalom or (Nitzana-Rafah),
average # of trucks/day:

2024:
[March 15, March 21]:      153
[March 08, March 14]:        164
[March 01, March 07]:        165

[February 23, February 29]:      111
[February 16, February 22]:     90
[February 09, February 15]:     47
[February 02, February 08]:      133

[January 26, February 01]:      136
[January 19, January 25]:      156
[January 12, January 18]:      156
[January 05, January 11]:      145

of which trucks/day carrying “Human Food Products”

2024-02: no UN data calculated yet
2024-01: 95 = 2959/31
2023-12: 71 = 2216/31
2023-11: 58 = 1737/30

2023: 75 = 20562/273 (through September)
2022: 73 = 26554/365
2021: 77 = 27937/365
2020: 78 = 28657/366
2019: 68 = 24685/365
2018: 68 = 24793/365
2017: 66 = 23952/365
2016: 64 = 23265/366

Jan
Jan
March 24, 2024 22:20
Reply to  tappanch

I think counting trucks does not prove anything, do you?
Here a statement from the Inter-Agency Standing Committee a UN agency.
Statement by Principals of the Inter-Agency Standing Committee – Civilians in Gaza in extreme peril while the world watches on: Ten requirements to avoid an even worse catastrophe | IASC (interagencystandingcommittee.org)
Maybe the reason why the Palestinians are in extreme trouble also has to do with the merciless use of military supremacy.
When this chapter of the old conflict is over, nothing is left from the infrastructure and housing of Gaza.
Of course this also includes tunnels which are the excuse for the destruction.
I do despise hamas, but not all Palestinians are hamas.

tappanch
tappanch
March 24, 2024 21:30
Reply to  Jan

As opposed to Israel on Gaza, the Azeri dictator put a real, a complete blockade on Artzakh (Mountainous Karabakh) for nine months,
from December 2022 through September 2023.

Then his troops quickly occupied Artzakh.
100% of the population (Armenians) fled.

Where was the outrage of the world?

All right, Erdogan and the 50+ fellow Muslim countries (and Orban) love Aliyev.and the victory of Islam over Christian people.

But I did not hear too much objection from the UN, Europe, US, etc.

tappanch
tappanch
March 24, 2024 21:48
Reply to  tappanch

Hiler’s August 1939 “Obersalzberg speech” just before starting the war,

‘I have placed my SS-Totenkopfverbande
in readiness – for the present only in the East – with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the Lebensraum.

Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?’

Wer redet heute noch von der Vernichtung der Armenier?”

Jan
Jan
March 24, 2024 22:37
Reply to  tappanch

I agree that there is hypocrisy in where the outrage is about. There was journalism about the occupation of Azerbaijan.
Defeated by force, self-declared Nagorno-Karabakh declares it will dissolve – The Washington Post
Azerbaijan halts Karabakh offensive after ceasefire deal with Armenian separatists (bbc.com)
This didn’t trigger a big outrage. Maybe it also has to do with the fact that Israels conflict with most of the Islam countries is seen as a more potent danger for destabilization of the world order.
And the numbers of the victims are not comparable.

tappanch
tappanch
March 24, 2024 22:00

“Left-wing” anti-Israelism, “right-wing” anti-Semitism and Trumpism have a common root.

Facts, numbers do not count. What matters only is prejudice spread and reinforced by massive propaganda.

‘I won the election.Period.’

Jan
Jan
March 24, 2024 22:44
Reply to  tappanch

Is there a reason for this post?
Do you suspect any of the contributors to be an antisemite?
I do not think so, and being against Bibis actual politics does not make someone an antisemite.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 25, 2024 01:57
Reply to  tappanch

‘I won the election.Period.’ ? what do you mean by that?

““Left-wing” anti-Israelism, “right-wing” anti-Semitism and Trumpism have a common root.” such like tappanch I mean that seriously.

“Facts, numbers do not count. What matters only is prejudice spread and reinforced by massive propaganda.” Stand in front of the mirror and think about it carefully.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
March 25, 2024 02:22
Reply to  tappanch

This discussion proves how infected the entire Israel-Palestine conflict is.
Is it possible at all, to relate to it without being drawn directly into questions about moral guilt-accountability for extreme, adverse political biases and stereotypes?

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Jan
Jan
March 25, 2024 07:08

I think it is possible to discuss on a mature way. That means for everybody writing here to avoid the  argument from incredulity. If you just don’t believe an argument or statistic, you can not conclude the argument or statistic is false. Just waiving away facts that don’t fit your theory or viewpoint and not dealing with these facts on a realistic way doesn’t help.
Since some of us are using the third Reich as an example, the Germans are an example of a nation that really reflected the history of that time. Unlike for example the Austrians, or the Hungarian regime.
This didn’t happen immediately after WW2 where the ex NSDAP members were still in charge, because they only had ex NSDAP members to fill positions. The big majority of the Germans is disgusted by what happened during the Holocaust, but there are also the “Ewiggestrigen”. One can not discuss with these people, and I think nobody of the contributors is like that.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 25, 2024 12:27
Reply to  Jan

“I think it is possible to discuss on a mature way. That means for everybody writing here to avoid the argument from incredulity. …” Mit Nazis diskutieren … wie sollte die Diskusion aussehen ? – er gibt nicht einmal eine Antwort auf eine Frage.

Don Kichote
Don Kichote
March 25, 2024 06:15

Now that we have a real expert as host, I would be interested to know what tappanch thinks about the Germans. Why back in Nazi Germany the Germans who were (initially) without a particular hatred of Jews and that was the majority simply went along with everyone against the Jews instead of standing up against the atrocities. Today I know the answer but I am obviously imbecile and …

what do you say to Schomlo as an alibi Jew?

P.s. you must forgive us Swabians for not being able to express ourselves so well.